You're on this ladder -- you really feel like a idiot, you could fall any moment -- and you look as a result of it and it just states 'YES,' " he informed David Sheff in 1980. "Well, all the so-referred to as avant-garde art at the time, and almost everything that was supposedly exciting, was all unfavorable this smash-the-piano-with-a-hammer, break-the-sculpture, tedious, damaging crap.