Leah Litman, 33, a legislation professor at the University of California at Irvine, reported she, likewise, encountered Kozinski when they appeared jointly on a panel at her school in July to talk about Supreme Court challenges. Rick Hasen, a University of California at Irvine professor who was at the meal, mentioned he recalled Kozinski producing a comment very similar to what Litman explained, and the knowledge was "surreal.